Thursday, June 25, 2020

Troy to Visit Cemetery This July

In this post script to George's interview, Troy offers help. Perhaps a visit to the cemetery in July, do some maintenance, and give us a report.

I also found some cryptic notes regarding Leo Reser. His wife may be his connection to farm. It may be that Reser's wife is related to Inman, the earlier owner of the farm.

An old phone number  have for Leo Reser is 815 343-8381.


George Interview, #5: Markers and maintenance of cemetery

Doug and George discuss marker locations

Michael Meinhard and the Welch cemetery

Tree problem looming

Markers and who might be buried there

George Interview Part #4, Cenotaphs, Linkages, and Memorials

In this part, George mentions "cenotaphs," grave markers at locations without the remains of the deceased.
Meinhards inside, Welches outside the fence
Large tree threatens to fall on the fence

Farm owner and Leo Reser 
George identified two Welches
The problem of promiscuous links on findagrave.com:

"Find a Grave is the best place on the internet to look for burial and other final disposition information for your family, friends and famous people. The site provides tools that let people from all over the world work together, share information and build an online, virtual cemetery experience."



George, Interview #3, Reser and Meinhard Cemetery location in the woods

Reser’s house
Going through the Coop for access
Location in the woods

George Interview #2, Meinhard Cemetery at Troy Grove

In Part 2, George and the family discuss our legal access and rights to Meinhard family cemetery at Troy Grove.






Wednesday, June 24, 2020

George Interview #1: Cemeteries of interest

In this 1st part, George gives us some context for cemeteries and their importance. He points out that in the U.S., birth and death records weren’t recorded until around 1900 and grave markers served as records. He tells us of four cemeteries of interest to Meinhard Samsel clan.
1:39 Findagrave.com is source for genealogists and creating memorial links
3:26 Beavercreek Cemetery in Guthrie County
4:06 Lakeview Cemetery in Windom, Minnesota has our grandparents, Jennie and Herman Samsel.  In the Storm Lake Cemetery, Buena Vista Co, are Meinhards, Dushinskis, Vitts, and Abagail Ann Spencer Samsel.
Ancestry links lead from Abigal Ann Spencer to her parents and grandparents art Union Cemetery in Carrol Co. up the Bowen/Thurber/.Brown line to the Mayflower passengers  (up 9 generations from us over to the Bowens from Swansea, Galmorgan, Wales)
7:53 The small Vitt-Eberhardt cemetery in Franklin Co, MO in a farmer's field, not well-maintained.


Saturday, June 20, 2020

Memorials at the Meinhard Family Cemetery

Meinhard Cemetery Now Listed

George reports, "the Meinhard Cemetery at Troy Grove had not been listed on find-a-grave.com. I have added it but now need any photos that any of you have from there — both of the memorials and the cemetery – especially the gate with the Meinhard name."

Here's the url:

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2708319/meinhard-family-cemetery or click on this picture:

Description on findagrave.com

"I have only added a memorial for Michael so far. I requested the admin of Frederick Memorial at storm Lake to insert a link to Michael's memorial." Can you explain a bit more, George.

"If you look at other memorials on findagrave such as those for the Samsels at the Storm Lake Cemetery you'll see that many of them include links to parents and to siblings. Links to parents can only be added by the person(s) who administer the memorials of the children. After I add a memorial for Michael's father I'll be able to add a link to him from Michael's memorial. But I have to request the admin of Frederick's to link to Michael.  Is that the question?"


"Among the large collection of material from Uncle Bob are xerox copies of photos of Michael and Maria Meinhard as well as ones of Frederick and Emilie. Does anyone have originals of those photos - or better copies?  I will scan what I have but would prefer better quality for their memorial pages on findagrave.

I've added memorials for Jacob and Karl as well as Maria in the Meinhard Family Cemetery. I've also requested links from the memorials for Henry, Anna, Wilhelmina, Adolph, and Eberhard as well as Frederick. The one for Anna has already been added. Note that all except Frederick remained in Illinois and have many descendants who also retain an interest in the cemetery property. But I don't think any of us have had any contact with these distant cousins or have identified any of them."

Friday, June 19, 2020

Meinhard Family Cemetary


Some History of the Meinhard Family Cemetery Property at Troy Grove, Illinois

The 2-1/3 acre property on which the cemetery is located is in the NE corner of the SE1/4 of section 26 of Troy Grove Township. Within that property there are two separate burial grounds – the Welch Cemetery that is 2 rods (33 feet) square and not fenced and the adjacent Meinhard Family Cemetery of about the same size which has a steel fence and gate, The gate is within a steel arch with the name M Meinhard spelled out in steel letters.

According to Government Land Office records, the south half of the southeast quarter of section 26 was originally entered by Zacceus Welch with patent deeds issued to him on 1 August 1838.

The Welch family comprised some of the earliest settlers in La Salle County which was formed in 1831. The group that arrived in 1834 included Zacceus Welch and the family of his brother Thomas Welch. They originated in Maine but had lived in Pennsylvania and Ohio before moving to Illinois. Thomas Welch had several grown children when they arrived in Illinois and a second younger wife name Bethiah. Thomas and Zacceus Welch jointly entered some land in LaSalle County and also entered some land separately. Zacceus died in 1838 and his brother Thomas was the administrator of his estate and, apparently, his only heir since he ended up in possession of all of the land. In 1842 Thomas sold the south half of the SE1/4 of section 26 to his daughter Rebecca Welch – but when she later married a Fulton she sold the land back to her father. In 1854 he sold it to Michael Meinhard.

Sometime before 1838 when Zacceus Welch still owned the land, a burial ground was set aside for the Welch family. Undoubtedly, Zacceus himself was buried there when he died in 1838. There were very few of the stones that were still readable the first time I visited that site. One that was readable was for Elizabeth, wife of William Winterton, who was born in 1811 and died July 26, 1838. Elizabeth was one of the daughters of Thomas Welch. When Thomas sold the land to Michael Meinhard in 1854 the deed specified that the 2 rod square burial ground was to be reserved for use of the heirs of Thomas Welch. Thomas had bought 5 lots in the village of Homer (which was later incorporated as Troy Grove) and moved there in 1848. When he died on October 27, 1861, he was also buried in the Welch Cemetery on the property then owned by Michael Meinhard. His stone is one that was still readable and shows that he was born August 27 1776.

The will of Thomas Welch listed six living children as well as his wife, Bethiah. As far as I can tell, all of them later left the area. However, all of their descendants still have the same legal right of access and use of the 2-1/3 acres as the descendants of Michael Meinhard and still have the right to use the Welch burial ground on that property.

The other children of Michael Meinhard other than Frederick remained in that area and their descendants also retain the same rights of access to the 2-1/3 acres and use of the Meinhard Cemetery. The ones who remained in Illinois included Henry, Adolph, Eberhard, Anna (Grob) and Wilhelmina (Roth).

Note that the legally defined access to the property according to the deed was to be from the south via a “public road leading under the railroad bridge along Vermilion Creek.” Since no such road exists any longer the only practical access is from the north through private farm property. But there is no defined legal access that way – so it is important to remain on good terms with the farm owner.



George J. Farris
June 19, 2020

Thursday, June 18, 2020

Rose Samsel's Mayflower Ancestory


Rose Anna Samsel Meinhard’s Mayflower Ancestry

This is a brief summary of the part of Rose’s ancestry that leads back to the Mayflower.

The Mayflower passengers that comprise a part of her ancestry were John Howland, Elizabeth Tilley, and Elizabeth’s parents, John Tilley and Joan(Hurst) Rogers Tilley. John and Joan Tilley, like a majority of the Mayflower passengers, died during that first hard winter of 1620/1621. John Howland, who was about 18 in 1620, was employed by Governor Bradford. When Elizabeth Tilley’s parents died she was also taken into the household of Governor Bradford. Elizabeth was 13 in 1620. John and Elizabeth were married 25 March 1623 at Plymouth. One of their children was Lydia Howland who later married James Brown.

The descendancy from there is:

Lydia Howland + James Brown

James Brown + Mary Denison

Mary Brown + John Thurber

Ann Thurber + James Bowen

James Bowen + Chloe Thayer

Amasa Bowen + Amanda Johnson

“Polly” Maria Bowen + Alanson Soloman Spencer

Abigail Ann Spencer + Theodore Carlton Samsel

Herman Americus Samsel + Jennie Floy Miller

Rose Anna Samsel




George J Farris
18 June 2020


Friday, June 12, 2020

Interesting Behaviors—Meinhard Maternal Grandmothers

Doris' post on Interesting Maternal Grandmothers.

Jennie Miller Samsel's grandmother, Magdalene Smith Switzer, has an interesting story.  Her first child, Abram, is born when she is 14 and almost 6 years before she marries Peter Grant Switzer.  This seems correct: on a later census Abram' age calculates to an 1815 birth date and he has a grandfather Abraham Switzer.  Children were often named after another family member.  His father, Peter Grant Switzer is surely named after his mother Elizabeth Grant.  On the 1850 census, Magdalene is the mother of 15 children, she is 49 years old, living with her husband Peter, 8 children plus her married daughter, Elizabeth and husband.  We find two daughters that are married to two Miller brothers so that connection is close.  Peter Switzer is my 3rd great grandfather; Jacob Miller is my 3rd great grandfather and these two men have children that marry.

Wednesday, June 3, 2020

Doris Talks Genealogy and Cemeteries

In this video Doris talks about how she does genealogical research. So, "How did you get started, Doris.“ "You start with yourself. Then you put down your mother and father because you know that.” Doris is following the Grandmother Miller line and compiling one of her famous notebooks.
But then she and Roger take us on their journey to find the Miller gravestones she had heard about supposedly at an Iowa town now long gone called Glendon. Stopping at the local cafĂ© for the best ice cream in town, the only ice cream in town, the folks laugh at her question if any now was a Miller, “We’re all Millers here.” They assigned Raymond for lead them. On the way they past a few old buildings, the old town they found out later; finally, winding around the country roads, they arrive at the Glendon cemetery. Their hope—to find Roseann Miller’s gravestone.

In part 2 Doris takes us up 4 generations to Hanna and her mother Roseann Fisk. The timelines give a more life to person in the family tree. To the class society of Britain's past, importance derived from a person's pedigree. The Fisk name going back to England was particularly important, and on her trip to England with Dorothea, Doris tells the story of of bumping into a Fisk.